Tombstone (1993)
Tombstone
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Whitey: [00:00:00] Okay. All right. Now we're gonna go back and we'll talk about move on trails, going trails, going trailers going. Are you slipping it in later? Yep. Sleeping in later. That's what me? Sex tape. Are you sleeping it in later? Well done GA,
Gow: welcome to born, to watch where three old mates review and discuss movies. That mean the most
Whitey: to them.
Why? Hello there? Fellow watches. Welcome back. It's wider. Your host for born to watch. And we'd like to welcome you back into the panic room today for another Kurt Russell, special tombstone, as it is pissing with rain outside tonight. It's reminding me of the fateful night at tombstone after the okay corral where shit gets real for wire herp.
It's a modern Western masterpiece. [00:01:00] This one, it's probably the movie that made me fall in love with westerns, really? And it's the story of the famous town and how wide E brought his special form of justice to it. Very excited to be talking about this movie. And it was specially requested by the man on the land himself, the hat morgues.
And tonight's a big night, cuz we're gonna unveil two new categories for you guys, which we're very excited about. But before there let's get to the team, of course, in the studio with me, number two, goo how are you mate? Oh, super.
Gow: Can't wait for this one. Great movie. Really looking forward to it. Been a big week.
We've been blowing up, seeing a lot of good feedback on the social. Hearing a lot of good stuff about our stats going, going in.
Whitey: Well, I think the, the stats are at least one person's favorite part of the
podcast
Gow: getting a lot of the good feedback, mate, I'm telling you from super fans. So that's great. Good
Whitey: gal.
You're you're transcending. And we like that now up there in Noosa coming in from the land. Uh Morie how are you, bud?
Morgz: Yes. Nice. [00:02:00] Well, I'm here with, uh, my Bob of cat amongst the pigeons. I'm gonna limit it to one bottle tonight. I, uh, got a bit of feedback from, uh, on the line that I was bit lit the fuck up last week.
So, uh I'm.
Whitey: Yeah. Was, I think it was when you announced that you were going for the second bottle, that things started to slide downhill pretty quickly. We enjoyed it. Uh, it was, it was good to see that side of you, Dan. We don't see it very often. Like you really wound up into that.
Gow: Didn't.
Morgz: Yeah, good. I mean, John, he brings it out all us a bit, bit of Testo filled Withers
pigeon. No, I think last week, shout
this as I can. Yeah.
Whitey: Well mate, uh, not too much in check, you know, we, we like who you are. Doesn't matter about everyone else. Now gal, tell us about the movie. Tell us about tombstone. Oh, here
Gow: we go. Justice is coming. Tombstone is the action packed star started Western. That brings the [00:03:00] legendary FEU between the herbs and the Clintons to life.
Former us marshal wides plan for peace, quiet and prosperity misfires. When his brothers and the outrageous rogue doc holiday encountered the ruthless band of Outlaws, the Cowboys together, the S team up with doc holiday to bring law to the lawless in a notorious showdown with these ruthless Outlaws at the okay.
Corral.
Whitey: Yeah. Really good synopsis. Yeah. One of your best, so far? Probably, probably the best synopsis that you've read. I didn't know about the, okay. I didn't know that w was involved in the okay. Corral before I'd watched this movie. So of course I'm Australian. I dunno a lot about American history, especially that far
Gow: back.
So you just heard about gun bite at the okay. Car. I'd heard of the
Whitey: gunfire. Okay. Corral didn't know anything about it. So this movie educated me about that. What
Morgz: is OK. Cor is corral. Like where the horses go
Whitey: corral. It seemed that way. It seemed in the movie. You did. You're the guy on the land. Yeah. Come on.
Don't you have a corral up there at Noosa.
Morgz: I'm no, no, no. I'm not on the land. I don't have a home. [00:04:00] I have a, yeah, we don't call 'em corrals up here. I, I,
Whitey: I look I'd begged the differ. I don't think you could either, but anyway, let's listen to the trailer.
It was a place where a man could start over where a fortune could be made. They say every town has a story. Tostone. That's a legend. Who is he? That's
Morgz: whiter, better
Whitey: name for himself as a peace
Morgz: officer. I heard of you. I'm retired.
Whitey: You must be doc holiday.
Gow: You retired too.
Morgz: Not me. I'm in my prime
Whitey: Hollywood pictures presents only real law around here is the Cowboys.
The story of WB. The first time in our lives, we got a chance to stop wandering and finally be a [00:05:00] family. Now this is trouble. We
Morgz: don't need, we're gonna have a future
Whitey: in this town. It's gotta have some law and order. What do you want? Ringo?
Morgz: I want your
Whitey: blood. I want your soul. I want 'em both right now. Shot your brother.
Now the time has come for justice. Yes. Maybe you better swearing him. And he has to live up to his reputation. You got a fight come. I'll be there one
last time.
Morgz: None of your
Whitey: problem, doc, you don't have to mix up a nest. That is a hell of a thing for you to say to me in a battle. The last charge you quiet up. Disor at the okay. Corral. Oh my God. The west would never forget
Russell Valer Dana
Delaneys, [00:06:00] Michael Bean, bill Paxton, Jason Priestley, Sam Elliott, and Charlton Heston.
Justice is coming to tombstone.
What a trailer, if only we could see it. Not only hear it, but it'll evokes the emotion anyway. So let's talk about how this movie rates. On IMDB. This is a 7.8 outta 10, a 74% on the tomato meter. And hold on a minute, fellers 94% audience rating on, on rotten tomatoes. Now I don't pay much for that, but because it's a good rating, I'm gonna run with that.
Now that's the first time I've actually been really happy with the rating. It's [00:07:00] really, really getting me pumped up for this, uh, podcast. Now, as I said earlier, I think this was the Western that made me fall in love with westerns. Unforgiven was the year before won the academy award with Clint Eastwood.
And that was probably, I didn't see that at the cinema, but this was the Western probably the first real Western that I had seen at the cinema. And we'll talk about that in a minute. This movie's again, I'm gonna go off early and I went off last week, but I, this is a great movie. This is regardless of the fact that it's a Western, this is a really, really good movie.
Really good fun.
Gow: It's a great movie. And same with me. I loved westerns and, and this one was action packed. That was great. And WYAD came out around the same time too, but this to me wiped the floor with it. And we might get into that.
Whitey: We'll get into later. We'll get into that a little bit later. What are your thoughts more cause about tombstone.
Morgz: Yeah, big fan. I didn't cause was shit, but the rewatch, it was it's long. That was, uh, I guess one thing I noticed and there's some bit that I probably cut out if I was afforded the [00:08:00] chance to it with the trimming shes, but uh, yeah, look just a, just a good watch, enjoyable watching experience. And especially after seeing it many times good to reclaim myself with it.
And, uh, we'll talk about the kil just for me, absolute Luke Nixon called that out through the week and with him really is if not his best, definitely in the top two or three.
Whitey: Yeah. I think for Val it's, it's this and, and Jim Morrison in the doors. I think these are his two. Real iconic roles. I know we talked earlier on, well, on the very first episode of born to watch about, uh, the Iceman, but, and the Iceman.
Yeah. It's a good role. But in terms of meat on the bone, uh, obviously Jim, Morrison's got the most meat on the bone from a roll perspective, but, but this is pretty good. This is his great role. He's
Gow: unbelievable in this movie. Yeah. He brings so much to it and you know, I can't imagine anyone else being in it, apart from me, he just nails the role [00:09:00]
Whitey: he does.
He does. So let's talk about the cast now that we've sort of had a little chat on, uh, Val, but let's, let's go gal. Let's let's walk through the cast. Tell me about it. Well, obviously
Gow: major star is Kurt Russell. I mean, what is this? Our third? We love him. Kurt Russell movie. It's a bromance. It's official. It's it's a definite bromance.
Yeah.
Whitey: And this that Musto he tips me over the edge. Yeah. He's and how good's his hair? There's nothing bad about Kurt in this movie
Gow: kills it. He's got the long hair. He's got the massage and all those mustaches are real, all their, all their facial hairs real in the show. Yeah, mate. It's it's awesome. Yeah, what do we say?
What we haven't already said about Kurt? I mean, we can probably gloss.
Whitey: We can probably gloss over Kurt to be honest, because we can, we can't say anymore no more superlatives for Kurt Russell, unless you've got something
Gow: morgues.
Morgz: No, I agree. I think that obviously our love for Kurt is well known. He looks outstanding.
Understand, uh, I can understand how Donna Delaney would wanna root him. He's definitely, uh, yeah, it's, it's a great role. And uh, some interesting feedback on the [00:10:00] making of the film, which I think go into a bit later, but he was very, very, very heavily involved. Not just the, but in the, of this one. So it was on song again.
Yeah. We'll talk about that later, but, uh, cast, it goes pretty fucking deep. This
Whitey: big, deep, gal's got a lot ahead of him here, so let's let him go. Oh, we're gonna get
Gow: through it. Well, we've already hit on Val Kilmer. Was doc holiday. I think we can. I think we can Ize. Let's let's move on. Move on. Just, just interestingly, there was someone who auditioned for the role of doc holiday.
Mm. And that was Billy Baldwin.
did you know that? Fuck off Billy . Could you imagine Billy, Billy, Billy, and Kurt back together after back draft
Whitey: fuck off Billy. That's all I have to say to you. Move on. I was out there
Gow: doing it. Wyat
Whitey: you don't know what I was doing. you dunno what I saw oh God. He could, you know what he could, what would be actually interesting to see is if Billy took all these lines from back draft and just used them in why?
Yeah. That would be just wind his way [00:11:00] through the road. Tombstone. Yeah, this is it. oh God. Um,
Gow: another one was, will defo was actually supposed to play. Well, I think he was cast. He was cast. It was actually cast. Yeah. So I'm not, not sure if I'm jumping ahead. You probably
Whitey: are. But anyway,
Gow: I'll leave that.
That's all good. Then we get down to Sam Elliot. What an awesome actor
Whitey: mate, the best must in the game. Yeah, the best must and, and another, another born to watch favorite Roadhouse. Oh great. I'll tell you what, he's really fricking good in a star. He is born. Yeah. He's really good. Now he's real. I just watched some of that the other day and he's powerful in that movie.
Great actor love him.
Gow: Yeah. I remember. I didn't know about him until yeah. Until we looked at Roadhouse and then I was like, wow, this guy's great. And he, he just suits that role perfectly.
Morgz: Tim Elliot. I was gonna say he, uh, I think he gets a little though when he age he's geriatric actor who plays cowboy with being a, a real cowboy, because he was, he got the shit about that.
Recent camping film about the, uh, about the [00:12:00] Cowboys
that shot in New Zealand. I can't the spoil
cowboy wasn't he just wasn't having it. But obviously, I dunno.
Whitey: He obviously hasn't seen broke back mountain
Morgz: I was gonna say, I think, uh, it being a human film, a few of them would've been, would've been game. I think him and playing cowboy, cowboy
Whitey: Nelson. Oh, Charlton Nelson. That's a whole other kettle of Fishman.
Anyway, keep going. G man. We've got power's booth.
Gow: That's curly bill. Yeah. Great. Yeah. What a great character actor. Yeah. He's in so many good things. Yeah. Sudden he's in sudden death. Yeah. With John Claude with John CLA. Yeah. I didn't realize that. But, um, with the bad he's really good in this movie too, but he's, he's been in quite a few series was in Deadwood agents of shield.
Whitey: No, he's a, he's a job actor as morgues would say a real job actor. Yeah. Yeah. [00:13:00]
Morgz: Was he in dead? Who was he in Deadwood? I can't remember in Deadwood. Um,
Gow: can't think of the name off the top of my head. He was in's go's research only
Whitey: goes so far go so deep mate.
Gow: he was in, he was in 24
Whitey: as well. Yeah, he was in
Morgz: 24.
He, right. OK. He was VP Noah Daniels, his name
Whitey: power. That's pretty cool. Yeah. He is a shit name. Is he? I know he is not. I was thinking he was in, uh, siege, but he's not in EA Tommy Lee Jones and, uh, Gary Busey. Yeah. Who's next guy. Oh, one of our favorites bill Paxton. Oh, well, another born to what's favorite.
Love him. And he's got a good Mo he's looking good in this movie and the best looking wife in the movie. There we go. Fair enough. Yeah, that's just my thoughts. Anyway.
Gow: Dana Delaney. China beach. Yep. Straight from China beach. Yeah. I think that was pretty much what she'd been
Whitey: in before that. Yes, Don. This she'd been in much.
No. I had a bit of a crush on Dana Delaney at the time from China beach. Yeah. Yeah. That was a really good show. I
Gow: loved watching that show. It was great. Yeah. But [00:14:00] she was in that and then she was in desperate Housewives for quite a few years as well.
Whitey: Yeah. I lost that. I lost touch with desperate Housewives after, uh, season two.
Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I
Gow: go through season one,
Whitey: but anyway, you were too busy watching will and grace could have been. Yeah.
Yeah.
Gow: And then one of the all time greats. Yeah. One of the all time greats, Michael Bean
Whitey: mate. I, I gotta say I, I was watching this and he was fricking good in this movie. Really good.
And it, it sort of, I thought he only, I thought his contract said that he could only work with James Cameron, but it was good to see him sort of spread his wings and get into a different movie. He was great. Johnny Ringo. What, what a character. Yeah, the playing against KA too.
Morgz: He's normally the hero he's used to.
Absolutely. The villain was good to see him
Whitey: changing it up. Yeah, no, he was great.
Gow: Yeah. He was really good. And you know, really strong role from, um, For dock holiday for, um, Val KMA and Michael being really good in this as well. Just
Whitey: his foil, just, just, uh, [00:15:00] I guess opposite sides of the, of the line. They could have both been in.
They could have both been either side or played either character, but, uh, dock holiday was just had that little bit extra morality. Yeah. Yeah. There wasn't much more, but just a little bit more. Do you know that Mickey rock
Gow: turned down the role of Johnny Ringo? Thank God. Yeah. I, well, that's I had in my notes, thankfully.
Yeah, because I can't see anyone else
Whitey: playing that. What was he doing? Getting cheek implants.
Gow: Dunno. He was really good in the wrestler, but dunno if he was really good in those in between years Mickey rock. No, he had
Whitey: a rought there. He had a rough truck, um,
Gow: some smaller
Whitey: roles in it. Michael RER mate. I love Rooker.
Yeah, he was was great too. He was great. I've got a little bit about the game cliff Hager cliffhanger, cliffhanger. Love him in cliffhanger. Yeah. Great. In cliffhanger. I forgot. But he was in days of thunder as well. He was, yeah.
Morgz: He wasn't wasn't he, the walking dead in like the first couple seasons when it was
Gow: good.
Yeah, he was, he was the brother of one of the main characters. I can't think of his name. Arrow guy.
Whitey: Yeah. He's brother.[00:16:00]
Morgz: You can't do 11, 11 seasons of killing zombies. That's a bit March, but,
Whitey: uh, it was, he was
Gow: really good. I thought in the first couple of seasons agree, agree. What else we got GA we're now gonna slip into, there's a few roles in this movie that, uh, that are smaller roles. I wanna, I wanna play a little game called, is it a cameo? Just, I wanna get more as comments on
Whitey: this. This is, this is new GA new, new.
We're gonna throw it out there. Yeah. Billy Bob Thornton. I rec no, I think this is before Billy Bob hit the stage and he's chubby. He's fat, Bob. Yeah.
Gow: Hadn't been in much before. Well, you know, he was in sling. I think sling blade was the one that made him. Do you know what famous this?
Whitey: This is the first sling blade got co this is, this is this watch actually this week was the first time I realized that that was Billy Bob thorn. Yeah. I didn't
Gow: realize, I just looked at his face in one scene and sort of went hang
Whitey: on. Soon as he opened his mouth and spoke, I was like, that's fucking Billy Bob.
Gow: [00:17:00] When he said I'm gonna blow up that
Morgz: Wildcats ass. Yeah. to answer your original question. No, it's not a fucking
Whitey: candy. No, it's fine. Yeah. And
Gow: do you know that he had lived all his lines in this Billy Bob? Yeah. He was way ahead of his time because he didn't have, he only had those lines in the scene, uh, in the, in the saloon.
And so they just told him to be a bully and ad lid. So that was all just off the cuff. He was good.
Whitey: Yeah. He was good. You quite well?
Morgz: He was good. Very good. Very good.
Gow: Jason
Whitey: Priestley. Well, he would've been on Beverly Hills 9 0 2 1. Oh. At the time I, I mark, I reckon that's a cameo. But
Gow: he was only on TV before that hadn't been in movies.
That's fine. Only on
Whitey: TV. He was, he was actually, didn't need to be in the movie at all. Thoughts marks where he on the
Morgz: fuck. I, yeah, you've got me Stu there. I don't think its, but I really hated that role. And Jason briefly. So I'm gonna say fuck off.
Whitey: fair enough. Okay. What about Charlton Heston? [00:18:00]
Morgz: Cameo? Yeah, that's that's cavi.
That's that's
Whitey: that's quintessential cameo. Well, it is, he's been in, I think it was be past his best movie. I think it was in his contract that any movie that had more than 400 guns, he had to be in it. Maybe
Gow: Thomas Hayden church.
Whitey: It's before he, before
Morgz: a, but, but a very love Aiden shirt's he's sideways
Whitey: sideways,
Morgz: mate
Whitey: sideways. It's a very morgue movie sideways, independent, independent. Love it. Love
Morgz: it. That's right. So border to watches, only Moonlight loving these populous movies from the eighties and nineties. I'm actually a film fan and sideways
Whitey: we'll find out later, we we'll find out later how deep in the industry you go.
But anyway, continue here. All right. Here's one.
Gow: This is a good one. John Feldman's in this movie, John
Whitey: [00:19:00] Philbin, you know, John Philbin is now, hang on, hang on. I'm gonna take it out there. And I'm gonna say,
is he the guy he, the assassin in the bodyguard. You're a
Morgz: fucking idiot. John
Gow: is Nathaniel in point
break.
Whitey: Oh yes. Yes. And
Gow: do you know who else he is?
Morgz: Turtle in north shore. There you go. In north shore.
Whitey: Yeah.
Gow: Listens to turtle.
Whitey: Welcome
Morgz: shit. Welcome to
What a shit we'll definitely do on.
Whitey: I can't
Morgz: wait to do that. I can't wait. Toho just
Whitey: God's
Gow: it's one of those the all time. Good, bad movies. Oh God,
Morgz: God. Um, yeah, that's uh, fantastic. No, good to see Bob. I didn't do much else. [00:20:00] I, uh, I, I watched him. On the YouTube doing, uh, his favorite quotes from north shore recently. And if you think he was Soso in actual on YouTube, he shown up quickly
Soso in shore. So,
Gow: okay. Seeing he killed it in north shore in 87 and we loved it. Does that make it a cameo?
Whitey: No,
Morgz: I'm gonna give that to each not, but, uh, just cause I love him so much. Yeah, yeah, no, not a cameo, not the world. No one in the world knew who he was except uh, people on the Northern beaches actually saw that movie
Gow: research.
He'd been in children of the corn and return of the living dead in 84 and 85. Wow. Yeah. Dunno. I dunno what scope of rolled you can
Whitey: tell me. I haven't seen, I dunno how we missed him. Yeah,
Morgz: he's a, in real
last one in
Gow: the movie,
Morgz: [00:21:00] Frank Stallone.
Gow: He in the movie, Frank Stallone plays ed Bailey. Who's the guy that, uh, has a dig at doc holiday when they're playing the card game at the start, when they're sitting in the saloon,
Whitey: right? That's Frank Stallone. That's Frank, Frank Stallone. Wow. Go Frankie.
Gow: Do you know Frank Stallone was in staying alive?
Whitey: Yeah. Well, his brother directed it. Didn't he did slice alone. Directed stay alone. No
Morgz: confusing. John Alder had sliced alone there, mate. What's
Whitey: going on mate? Sliced alone. Directed one of those. Ooh,
Morgz: well you're hop. We're gonna have a dump button on this episode. I'm sure. Okay.
Whitey: Dunno.
Gow: Hold the phone. We're getting our production team to look this out
Whitey: product production team is looking at this and I'm just going to see whether Sylvester Stallone directed, staying alive, go and fuck yourself.
Daniel Sylvester stall. Why are you told direct staying alive? Thank you very much. I did not know that the sequel to [00:22:00] Saturday night fever. Sy just alone. Directed it. Thank you. That's why I'm the host mate. That's why I'm the fucking host
Morgz: all
Whitey: how the king. Thank you. Thank you. Now. Move on GA. Well,
Gow: is it the cameo he'd been in staying alive?
No, he's in Hudson. He was in Hudson Hawk. He's in Hudson
Whitey: Hawk. Look, I love that he's in it, but it's not a cameo. Fair
Gow: enough. Hey, I'm just, I'm just asking
Whitey: the questions. I've actually got one extra. I've got one extra cast member that you haven't got to yet. Have you done with cast members? Uh, there was a couple
more,
Gow: but I was gonna, I was gonna call it there, but
Whitey: go for your life.
What, what about, what about Steven Lang? Yes. Who was in avatar? He's in heap of stuff, but he plays, uh, Ike Clinton. He plays the, the guy that he's got bullet time and Dodges about a thousand bullets at the Okal he's
Gow: so hateable in that movie. I hate, he hate Ike Clinton. I hate him. I hate him like good.
It's a good cast. He's a, he's a Winker. You hate
Whitey: him from the start. You do. You do. He's got a very hateable head. We did miss one. Sorry.
Gow: Just [00:23:00] one more. How can we miss this? Yeah. Billy Zane. Well,
Whitey: I was hoping you weren't gonna mention him because I would love to forget him. It is the most ridiculous superfluous part in any movie.
Morgz: What's the point of him? It's pretty, pretty unnecessary that whole, uh, the whole actors in you can lose 15 minutes. I think in the movie, just
Whitey: drop don't like I don't need to, like the west is shit enough without showing us what they had to do for entertainment. You can die at the drop of a hat. I don't wanna see Billy Zane doing what he does there.
It, it, it's not needed. Move on. Billy. He's a
Gow: Sian out on the land. mate. Not, not unlike our, our esteemed host here. Well,
Whitey: there, there are parallels. Yeah, there are parallels. Yeah,
Morgz: definitely parallels, but no one, one quirky. One I had was, uh, Virgil, Sam Elliot. Is is that Paulson and that the, [00:24:00] from Deadwood, I believe, can you confirm that please hostess with Moses?
Whitey: I can't confirm that quickly. I can only confirm it when I'm trying to confirm when I'm right.
Morgz: Um, right. Okay. Sorry. I thought you could just pull these stats straight off the top of your head, but, uh, anyway, I think it is, and Deadwood is, if you like Western Deadwood is just fantastic. So TV series three seasons, and then a recent tele movie to kinda wrap up the story.
Cause it got cut, but fuck. Yeah, dead. You've if you haven't seen that, you can't call yourself. That's
Whitey: great. Do you know why it went for three seasons Daniel? Uh, no, I don't went for three seasons cuz the actual town of Deadwood only was around for three. Ah, really? Yeah. So the end of it, where it burns is actually, that's a true, it's true to form it's it actually only lasted three years dead.
Yeah. So it's not like mash no. Twice the length of the war. Yeah. 11 year police action. Yeah, yeah, yeah, [00:25:00]
Morgz: yeah. Else. Very good. John, John Cort was the only that,
Whitey: oh yes, he was he's in the Cowboys as well. John Corbet. Yeah.
Morgz: He city alumni and uh, and Northern
Whitey: exposure. Yep. Yep. Good one. That's a, yeah, I did see him.
I couldn't remember his name. I'm glad you got that one. More's well done.
Morgz: I always wish Carrie ended up with, uh, with him. I never liked
Whitey: no, I'm not a big guy
either. I, I, I was, I was a, I was a John Corbit guy, so I think, I think we're done on what is an amazing ensemble cast. There's no doubt that everyone is at the peak of their powers in this movie. They are everyone's at is, is a race car in the red. And obviously you don't think so, or no? No, no, no, no, no, no.
Okay. Okay. Okay. Let's go back on that. Not everyone. Yeah. Billy Zane is terrible. Jason Priestley is terrible. Dana. Delaney's just mailing it in all the rest of the main class cast of the hers and the Cowboys are really
Gow: ratcheted. They didn't really give much [00:26:00] to Jason Priestley though. And Billy Zane there, they didn't give
Whitey: much, they're not needed.
They're not needed. That's why they didn't give much. I reckon they started. And they were like, please. Well, I
Gow: know, but Billy Breckenridge that Jason Priestley played is, you know, and, and all of this is based very loosely on true events with wide and, and Thelan, and he was actually, you know, involved in that.
Yep. Although in this they've, they've dumbed down or, you know, watered down his involvement completely.
Whitey: Mm yep. This is a great Western, it's hard to take into account all the westerns that come before it because they're a different time. All these spaghetti westerns, Clint Eastwood, all the stuff that Eastwood did in the seventies and eighties.
Different time. But if we, if we make the, if we draw the line in the sand at unforgiven in 92 and move forward from there, this is right up there. This is, this is either this in the top three westerns, modern westerns, like this, and unforgiven could be one and two, you know, you've obviously got wide herp, you've got open range.
You've got, you've got dancers with wolves, which was a little bit earlier than that. I don't know. It's it's
Gow: right up there. What else was [00:27:00] around that time? Trying to, trying to, from a Western perspective, from a westerns, there was a few
Morgz: hardly film, bad. It's bad enough with all your extras and. And your actors and, and, you know, trying to work with the light you've got. And, uh, I mean, speaking from an industry perspective, the last thing you want is having to deal with another fucking hundred horses as well. And, uh, and making sure that they hit their mark and, uh, are, uh, are playing nicely for the director for every scene.
A lot of it comes down to the economic from the sheer pain in the a would be the film Western. Yeah, sure.
Gow: And this was filmed in Arizona, like out in Arizona, near tombstone? Yeah. Or at tombstone. Yeah. So it's yeah. It's quite an effort to get there. It's
Whitey: yeah. It's it's it's it would be, it would be a hard slog look, I think it's one or two, I think it's this unforgiven for me top, probably the top two of, of the modern westerns
Gow: unforgiven was a bit darker though, or a bit, bit slower
Whitey: from [00:28:00] memory.
Both. Both. Yeah. Yeah. Like, uh, Clint Eastwood won it's one best picture. One, lots of awards. I one last words. It was great. It's a great movie. It really, probably one will get to on born to watch's one of my favorites. I really love it. There. I've given that one away early. It could be months that could be months or years in advance that.
Let's let's hit it over an under 40 I'll start. I've seen this over 40 times quite easily, quite comfortably. I don't think it'll be many more than that, but definitely over 40 morgues. What do you got?
Morgz: Yeah, 40 H spot on 40 for me. I've seen this a lot.
Gow: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I've under 40, but not by much.
I can't remember. Couldn't tell you, but I've seen it a lot
Whitey: of times. Definitely. No, it's a great movie and, and, and a great rewatch actually. And yeah, it is a little bit long, but I actually thought this time around, it didn't feel as long as I anticipated it. Be great movie. Awesome. It does go quickly.
Gow: Two, two hours, 10, I think.
Yep. And it does go quickly. Yeah,
Whitey: no. So let's, uh, Rick,
Morgz: you could trim it. You could trim it for sure. Get rid of that. Yeah. I was [00:29:00] really, um, Billy scene a lot shorter and uh, just some of those don't necessary. Um, that maybe the Kurt Russell off riding, we done, like, it was quite a long scene, but I guess you, that he's somehow, but, uh, yeah.
I, I think I Youst, it two, it didn't
Whitey: drag. No, it doesn't drag. I think it's, it's it, it definitely could be trimmed, but at two hours, 15, it's still very watchable.
Gow: I think the thing is that it starts, and there's a lot of story development or it's a bit slower. And then it starts to ramp up, you know, as they, as they get towards the, the fight and the okay.
Whitey: Corral. Oh, once you get, once you get the okay. Corral it's ball
Gow: to the wall and that's, and that's not the end of it. Yeah. That's not the end of the movie. That's the
Whitey: that's Well's the match, you know exactly right. That's that's it, that establishes for the, the next half of the movie. And it's great. It's that?
That from the okay. Corral on you can't turn away. Yeah. Okay. Hell's coming. Hell is coming. [00:30:00] So let's slide into the good, the bad, the ugly. We, we know the role by now. It's uh, Things. We love about the movie things that we don't like so much about the movie and things we think are just downright ugly. I think we've discussed a couple of them already.
I'm gonna start. I don't usually start, but I will. I'm gonna ask a question to you, boys. Has there been a bit, has there been a better gang in cinema than the Cowboys powers booth Michael Bean, Michael RER. Steven Lang. You said John Corbit. You've got, uh, Thomas Hayden church. You've got the Dick from north shore, whatever his name is.
Turtle. Yeah. Regis Feldman. John Regis Feldman. They're a good gang.
Gow: Yeah. When you think, when you think back at it, there is, there is quite a few isn't there. Yeah.
Whitey: So the start of the movie where you're introduced to the gang is, is next level good. And it really just sets the scene for the whole film. You know what you're in for?
You know, there's, they kill the husband on the wedding day. They look like they're gonna rape the wife, but there's [00:31:00] just a shot 10 seconds after, as they drag her into the church. Then Johnny Ringo shoots the priest and you're like, fuck. Yeah, this
Gow: is gonna be cool. I like the music when they're coming across the planes at the start.
It's just so menacing. It's got that base tension in it. It's and you know that we're, we're going something's happening straight away. Yeah.
Whitey: Yeah. It's it's it's great. I love that line at the start
Gow: too. You go to hell you first. Yeah. Yeah.
Whitey: It's awesome. Is why IP, the closest thing to a rockstar in the wild west.
I think he is. Everyone knows who wide is.
Morgz: Did you guys like, uh, what was that? What was that one? Um, Western with all the, with all
the round. Yeah.
Whitey: Wants to do young guns.
Morgz: It's probably there in, in year sort of nine or 10 as watch get to it, but no, I dunno. I young guns. I found, I was thinking Billy kid. American Cowboys, really kid [00:32:00] wide earth. So I dunno if it's just, he hasn't been represented well, isn't your ability to TV series or something?
Yes,
Whitey: there is just quite new. Just come out.
Morgz: I heard good reports about I haven't it yet, but, um, yeah, Billy, the only one that the mind that was for that time, that was, has been, been in cinema over and over again.
Whitey: Yeah. AB absolutely Mor. Cause I agree. I agree. I think for me anything where doc is, has any dialogue is epic.
So when you, when doc and Ringo first meet in the bar yeah. And they do the Latin off and then Ringo does the twist, the 12 with the guns and then doc does the TWI with the cup. It's just, it's so fucking good. He's so cool in this movie, Val Gilmer. Yeah. You
Gow: can see that. Uh, just between the two of them, like straight away, we know that they're.
Up against each other and
Whitey: Ringo's shitting himself. Yeah. You know, he's [00:33:00] just putting on the brave face. Yeah. It, and we see that later on to the extent of the fear that that Ringo has for doc holiday.
Gow: And one of the great quotes in that scene too, which we might leave. Yeah. Notable quote,
Whitey: we'll leave that one.
Mark. You got anything for good?
Morgz: No, I just had, I had Val kil. I just had Val Kilmer full stop. I think he steals every scene he's in. I think he's got the best dialogue. I think he, uh, he puts the most into the character. He's just, he's crushing it. Val kil veil. Yeah,
Whitey: definitely. Definitely gal
Gow: my scene. Apart from the, the scene you just said in the, in the saloon was the scene.
When the four, the four of them are walking towards the okay. Corral when they have that shootout and they walk up, you know, and then the guns get cocked and they're all leaning forward on their guns. I just think that's so awesome. Like they're ready to go. And there's so much tension in the air.
Whitey: I love it.
I love that. Bit where Kurt Russell mumble or sort of murmurs. Oh my God. Well, when it's gonna happen. Well, that's
Gow: when he win. That's when, um, when doc holiday winks. Yes. Right. They're standing there looking at each other and doc [00:34:00] holiday just gives the slight
Whitey: little wink. Well, that was Adlib. The wink was Adlib, but then he sees the eyes
Gow: raised and then he just knows, oh my God.
Yeah. I think that's seen is the best in the movie. It's great.
Whitey: Yeah. Yeah. It is great. But I, I think also the, the last, the last 30 minutes are breakneck speed. Yeah. But when Wyat loses his shit at the river yeah. When he just walks into the river and just starts shooting people, that is incredible. And there is one of the best quotes in that scene, which will get to in a sec.
But yeah, from, from the okay, corral forward, this movie is not good. This movie is great. There's a bit of waffle before that, but this movie is like next level. Good. After the, from the okay. Corral on. All right. I think you got any more go
Gow: really like ring. I had note down here really like Ringo and Michael beam.
We went through that. Yeah. Love the scene at the end. Where, where Johnny Ringo's walking towards stock holiday. Yeah, it's great. And he's calling him on, that's a really good
Whitey: scene in the movie. Yeah. I was not as sick as I [00:35:00] pretended to be whatever he says. It's fucking great. Okay. So we've, we've, we've crushed a bit of good there.
What about bad now, again, these movies that we really like, sometimes it's great to actually go through and pick them to bits a little, and I've got a bit here for bad, but Gary got anything.
Gow: Oh, just a few, just a few little things in there. When, when curly bill comes out in his opium, rage. Yep. Which actually I go back, Josh.
That was one of Josh's favorite bits. He loved it when curly bill tries to shoot the moon. That was his favorite bit of the movie when he watched it with me. Yep. So good on your buddy? Uh, yeah, he shoots the, he shoots the light and it goes out about a second later. It it's, what's a little bit
Whitey: outfit. What about, uh, in, in that same scene, Behan Behan in general, I hate his head.
He, yeah, he's a P heart. He sends the old Digger out to, to, to fight. He's gonna get killed. We know that the old Digger's gonna get killed by curly bill. So I [00:36:00] don't get it.
Gow: Cuz Behan was the bhes the sheriff he's the sheriff and the other guy was Marshall.
Whitey: Yeah. Right. Okay. Yeah. So the sheriff was more the politician, the Al was, what about you two?
Just
Morgz: saying that, oh right. Thought you explain like, ah, no, he was the, ah, yeah, that explain clue either, either does in, uh, the 1880s, America. No mate. That's
Gow: why I just brushed over and kept going. But thanks for bringing it up.
Whitey: no, but the sheriff, I, the sheriff seems to be more of the politician side of it, the marshals, the boots on ground, I would think from what I'd saw, what I saw in this movie and from the rare research that I've done, but.
Gow: Yeah, look, mate. Bhan knows everyone around the town. He's on everything,
Whitey: mate. Well, he's in bed with the Cowboys. He's a scumbag. Mm mark. You got anything for bad, Jason briefly? Yep. Billy Zane. Uh,
Morgz: Billy didn't so much didn't work, but Jason briefly, I just didn't understand that role. Yeah. It's good [00:37:00] to know that it was a historical reference, I guess, that that kid actually existed, but seeing our favorite year old playing an 18 year in, in, um, in, in,
yeah, him and Luke Barry play 18 year old with, with wrinkles and Craig that was, was entertaining for a few years back there. And uh, yeah, I just thought, I, I dunno, every time he came on, that was shit. He was just a wonderful bitch. Yeah. Actually as a,
Gow: as a real person, he was supposed to be a big bloke and, and, and apparently a pretty good shot.
And I think he was a sheriff or he was. Involved with the what's the sheriff go?
Whitey: I don't know. He's not a Marshall.
Morgz: our American law order
Whitey: for we'd. We'd love to hear from our American fans. Exactly what the difference is between a sheriff and a Marshall and they can educate us. Yeah. I've got a couple things, uh, [00:38:00] at the night, the night after the okay. Corral when it's stormy, like it is today here in Burley. Why would, why would Virgil leave on his own and just walk down the middle of the street?
That's one, two. Why is anyone standing in front of a window in tombstone, Billy Paxton be better, mate. Don't play Paul in front of the window.
Gow: I know. As soon as you see that window open and there's lightning and thunder, you're like, oh, this isn't, this isn't good, mate. You're not, no, you're not
Whitey: doing well here.
No, he's not. He's not. But other than that, I don't have a level lot for bat. It's really nitpicking if I do well.
Gow: My scene on that is, is, you know, after Morgan gets shot and he's lying on the table and then. His brother comes in, he's got blood over his hands, but then he's running around and then the blood's not, the blood's stuck on his.
He can see it's like, and he wipes him on the head and it doesn't, it doesn't move at all. Yeah. But then he runs out in the street and he just starts wailing, which to me, doesn't, that's a bad
Whitey: scene suit the character. It
Gow: doesn't suit. That's a bad suit at all. And he, and he's out there and he whales in the street and, um, look, there's a lot of symbolic stuff there.
I get it, you know, doing some [00:39:00] research on it. It's very symbolic, you know, he's trying to wash the blood off his hands and it won't come off, you know, from his past life. And he's trying to get away from that. Oh God. And this is, this is where it all comes in. Right. So that, that's what it is. But deep, I just don't think that scene fit very well.
What about, what
Whitey: about at the okay. Corral when doc has the shotgun and shoots one in the air? Yeah. To start and then blows the cowboy away and then shoots another shot straight away. he's very quick with the gun though. He's very quick loader. He's a very quick loader, but anyway, look, we're just picking there, but I, I don't have much.
I don't. Well, hang on. What about
Gow: when S said on this before, but what about when he just runs into Dana Delaney in the mountains? Outside town. It's a small place. Yeah, apparently. Yeah.
Whitey: He's a high place.
Gow: Drifter runs into her and she's out on her own on the horse. Yeah. Side saddle. Cool.
Whitey: Winter ink. And, and, and just, and just runs off like trots off side saddle.
And they're just caning through the fields. Yeah. What about him? Yeah. I'm
Gow: a real Oak. Yeah.
Whitey: I'm a, that's a great quote. That's a great quote. All right. [00:40:00] Anything for ugly? I've got one thing for ugly. It's two words, actually. G man, you got anything?
Gow: Uh, not really. We've covered most of that stuff.
Whitey: You got anything?
Morgz: Yeah. One for me, you guys are scene. I get, I enjoy the fact that Kurt goes down and, uh, takes it on and we can avoid bullets like matrix, but I'm thinking, what did this, what did it cost to make
Gow: it cost? The budget was 25 million and it grows 56 and a half million.
Morgz: What was the top, right.
Whitey: So 25 Jurassic park was the top grocer in 93, right?
Yeah. We
Gow: didn't go through that, but yeah. Okay. We, we can do that quickly
Whitey: now. Yes, we'll do that after. We'll get to that after this. So let's go, go Morg. What, what's your point? Sorry. I'm
Morgz: saying to spend on this that's holiday. That's that's really the best of the killing. Yeah. And million [00:41:00] and shoot the second ation and shoot at ring golf
Whitey: after the fish.
it?
Morgz: The fun, little fucking of water shit that, uh, it's just, uh, horrific. I mean, we meant to be showing the beauty of the scale of the American west and, uh, it's literally adjacent to whole lake at the, uh, the she gold club on the Northern beaches.
Gow: So is this when they kill
Whitey: curly bill? Yes. The curly bill.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The river, the river shoot out. No, that's, that's a fair point more cause it's probably not the, the best Vista for that scene. I've got two words for ugly and it's Charlton Heston and let's just leave it at that. Okay. Let's move on. So let's talk, let's actually go, let's go back and let's talk about what happened in 93.
Gow: Yeah. Well you were right. The, the big movies of 93 Jurassic park. Yeah. Was the biggest 334 million. Yeah. Just to put some perspective on it. Yeah. Schindler's list next at [00:42:00] 300 brought in 321 million
Whitey: both directed by Steven Spielberg. Incredible feat tracking. Both those movies almost simultaneously. Yeah.
In the same year. Crazy. That's crazy. Isn't it working on both, but Butler's list simultaneous.
Morgz: Love, baby. You me
Whitey: thanks chef.
Gow: Um, yeah, but Schindler's list ran away with, I think seven, seven awards that year. Best picture. Best director, best screenplay. And the next one was Tom Hanks' best actor in Philadelphia.
Yep. 206 million, but mate, There's so many movies you could go through, but here's a quick fugitive. The firm, the piano sleepless in Seattle, Mrs. Doubtfire in the line of fire, cliff hangers. We mentioned a few good men, great movie Groundhog day center of a woman falling down. Love falling down you one
Morgz: at the movie.
Did you, did you go? I don't think I did.
Whitey: I think I saw tombstone at the movies. I, I think, I think I saw it at the movies. [00:43:00] It came out on the ring mall 100%. This is a ring mall. Came out on the 26th of December. This is pre cinema. Yeah.
Morgz: Hadn't hadn't dreamed up the war wood cinema
Whitey: yet. Now he was loving Australia in Cy, only at that
Morgz: stage.
What a legend shout out to Roy Beka. Yeah. Great work mate.
Whitey: One of the great hairdos on the Northern beach. So
Gow: how long after came, do you reckon you saw it? Cause it came out at Christmas or came outta boxing day?
Whitey: Yeah, I, I think I would've seen it in the whole, like in that cuz 93, I finished school in 93.
Yeah. Actually finished school in about 91, but actually officially C in 93. uh, but were you
Gow: Angus and Coote by this
Whitey: stage? Uh, I was, I was, uh, assistant manager at Ang and COO at warrior wood square. You're talking to the assistant manager. merge.
Yeah. No. So the thing that, uh, I was, I was going places fast. It was just, unfortunately it was down. Uh, but definitely saw this at the cinema. Definitely. Would've been in, would've been in the holidays in the January holidays [00:44:00] without a doubt. Cuz I did see, I saw a lot of movies in the cinema that year.
Cause I saw Jurassic park in the cinema. I saw Shin's list in the cinema. I saw a lot of those movies in the movies. I can't remember going the movies. Yeah, a few good men, all those movies I saw at the movies and there's, there's a lot of born to watches in that group there in 93. Almost all those. Yeah.
That's, that's a strong year, strong year, really strong year. And then 94, we've got pulp fiction and that's when shit really gets real. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think we're ready for pulp fiction. You're here at born to watch, but we're not far away. That'll be a big,
Gow: big one to dos a
Whitey: lot. There's a lot to unpack in that.
There's a lot to unpack. Yep. Yeah. Alright. Well, well done gal. That was good. Let's move into, listen to this a few rumors or, or some, this is where GA shines. He loves the stats. And what do you got in? And think you go, I'm going straight
Gow: to listen to this. Okay. When, when they're at the okay. Corral and, uh, and one of the Cowboys shoots, um, doc at point blank, right.
Or shoots at doc, he says, I got you now your son of a bitch. And then doc says, you're a easy, if [00:45:00] you do, that's an actual, real line that was said by doc. Oh yeah. Yeah. So that's, that's been report. I quoted or documented that he, um, he actually said that line. Yep. In, in a similar situation.
Whitey: Nice. Anything else, come on.
Oh, I've got
Gow: a few more. They put the line at the end with doc, you know, he says, I'll be damn. This is funny. When he looks at his feet, now that was put in because you know, doc was sick throughout that whole movie. And he had tuberculosis and as a person, he actually always thought that he was gonna die with his boots on IE.
He was gonna get taken out by someone, someone along the line, which is why he had no fear of doing anything because he always thought assumed that summer along the line. Yeah. It was all gonna catch up with him. Nice. So that's why that sitting at the end is, is, you know, when he says with his feet at
Whitey: the end of
Gow: the bed.
Yeah. And he just looks at them and then, and then he goes from there.
Whitey: Yeah. What about
Morgz: work that out? That's's pretty abstract. Like
Jesus.
Gow: Well, I dunno if you're supposed to work it out. It's just something they put in there. I, I think to, so
Whitey: morgues, you, you mentioned a bit before about the [00:46:00] director of this movie.
Did you wanna touch on that? I think you're gonna say something there. Yeah.
Morgz: Is George. Director and a great director responsible for Rambo
was ed Russell
after would Russell for it. But Kurt Russell was actually pretty much the director of food. And, uh, yeah, he, uh, he'd give him the shot list every day. And he was responsible for, for delivering the movie, but didn't wanna attach his name to it. So, and he said outta respect, cause he wouldn't the world, but died, which generous of him.
I say so, but yeah, he was, um, he was installed as, I, I guess he, uh, the, the director on paper, but Kurt Russell did all the directing.
Gow: Yeah. Well to add to that, [00:47:00] The writer, Kevin Jarre or it might be yare might be a silent Jay. Um,
Whitey: Jay, thanks, Ron.
Gow: he? Um, he actually directed the first month of it and then they punted him because he was falling behind schedule.
So then that's when they brought Cosmas in, but he didn't have much time to prepare. So then I think that's the point where, and then Kurt just went off, sort of went like, I'm gonna do it. But that was your point was backed up by Val Kilman morgues too. He was quoted as saying that, you know, that they, he worked a bit, but it was mainly Kurt, you know, that, that did that and was back at night, doing scenes and doing a lot of that stuff.
So yeah.
Morgz: Had a bit of sign language or something developed to be out in the scene, giving him a hand signal to, uh, say let's do it again. Or no, that was shit or whatever that he had to say to direct it from actually starring in the movie. So yeah. Pretty interesting.
Whitey: Yeah. Got anything else? GA? Oh, you got something.
You've got something I'm gonna throw something. Steven Lang was apparently drunk for most of the filming, according to Cosmo, which is not surprising. He [00:48:00] actually, because he's actually drunk the whole movie, he just actually literally was drunk.
Morgz: It's a shame that I doesn't get killed at the end, but I'm glad to learn that he dies pretty hard a little bit later on, but yeah, he's definitely one of those guys.
Whitey: He just, you wanna see him hanging from a tree? Yeah. He
Gow: got killed a couple years later in real life. Yeah. Yeah. But, oh, he's one as well. Johnny Ringo wasn't actually killed by doc holiday in real, like in the, well, he was in the story, but not in real life. He was actually found dead under a tree in Arizona, like some years later.
Okay. So it was a bit of a mystery. What, what had actually happened
Whitey: to him? All right. Okay. Nice. Okay. Let's move into quotables gal. You wanna start or you want Mors to start? You got anything? Mors.
Morgz: I've got heat, but I mean everything, all B. Be kil are quite, it's just fucking awesome. Uh, I, I didn't know that you're, if you do, I did wonder that out.
That's good, but I dunno why this makes you laugh every, but it's Billy, uh, when comes in and takes the, [00:49:00] but talks the wagon as he's that wagon and what happens. Wagon heard
Gow: that I, that wagon and see what happens
Whitey: really. It's really good. You know? Uh, so mate, what about you gonna do something or just stand there and bleed that's when he hits that's smacks Billy Ball, he smacks Billy Ball of course like, oh, this gets used. This has been used for a long time. I piss on you it,
Morgz: oh, piss on you by piss.
That popped up a
Gow: lot. I've got one. I've got one that, well, we all use a lot, but I do. I certainly do. It's when it's back, we were talking before about doc and Johnny Ringo in the saloon and you know, he says him, you must be doc holiday. Are you retired too? Not me. I'm in my PRM. I'm not playing [00:50:00]
Morgz: love that. I say that.
I say that
Gow: weekly. Yeah, definitely.
Whitey: I do. For sure. Yeah. There's obviously I'm your huckleberry. Oh, that's the best. But I, I love, we talked about the, the, uh, scene down at the, the Creek at the eighth hole at ringer when Kurt Russell is just kills curly bill, and then he shot about 30 people and then they're back and they go, where's.
And Val Kilmer says he's down at the Creek, walking on water. yeah,
Morgz: very good. Oh, that's all vows lines. Val. Val's got the piece mate. It was like he had his own personal script writer was very, very
Whitey: good. Very good. What about hell?
Gow: I got lots of friends. I don't, yeah. You know, I tell you what one of my other favorites is that's really strong and powerful is when, um, is when they come to, to get white.
When he sees his brothers off at the train station. Oh, that's good. Kills him, you know, and they run off and he's like, you tell him I'm coming and hell's coming with me. Yeah.
Whitey: That's great. [00:51:00]
Morgz: Great's a pretty cheesy line, but he sells it. He you're able to believe it. I think it could have gone a bit fair shape there, but he's done pretty
Whitey: well.
What about, what about when, uh, when they're in the wagon and they're riding off with Morgan, he's been just been killed or he's just died and they're riding off and, and there's the cowboy sitting on the side and, and Ringo says to curly bill. You smell that bill smells like someone died. Like it's just hard.
It's just harsh. And they just sit there and take that too. Yeah. Yeah. It just, well, doesn't why, it's why it's building. Why? Well, no slowly boom.
Gow: To take they take it there. Yeah. One more. One more for, uh, for doc holiday is when they're, I think it's at the okay. Corral. I can't remember. And that's when he, when he is standing there with the two guns and he says, you're so drunk, you're probably seeing double and doc says I have two guns.
One for each of you.
Whitey: yes. That's great. Yeah, no, everything doc does is just outstanding.
Gow: And that was [00:52:00] Josh's sorry. That was Josh's favorite quote too,
Whitey: of the movie. Yeah, go Josh loving that. You're watching the stuff for this. We'll do, we'll do a movie that you're allowed to actually watch Josh socially.
Anyway, father of the year over here is, um, educating you in the ways of, uh, of movies, which is great, which is great. And I can't talk cause I'm fucking ops. This is gonna bring us into a new category. This is one that has been devised by our man on the land. And it's called film school for fuck WIS, take it away more.
Tell us a bit about film school for fuck. Withs.
Morgz: Yeah, look, I thought we're all in this again.
Why don't we just, we from industry time in the industry and we can, we can all leave our to watch sessions, just know a little bit more being able to on film a bit more, if you wanna show off to your bird or, and I thought with, I talked a bit about [00:53:00] when he leave the op and he shooting at the moon and he, and it's pretty cheesy and overing heavily, it could be really scene, but what is that?
It's in one shot, a. Quite a crane shot is, is, uh, is literally a crane on set that takes the camera up from ground level and takes it up to a bird eye view. And it basically, it just elevates that shot. And it's little bit difficult in the that's there, everyone that's that has their mark, all the extras that, that around are just catering actually have, have to get this shot, right.
Edit out. So it's, it's interesting. It turns in a lot of films. So some of famous would've seen with the got really shots, but more recently Jengo and chain char loves the crane. [00:54:00] Love it loves, loves view. And also once upon a time in Hollywood, one, you would've noticed recently when. Drive into his caravan in the back of the, the back of the drive a lot.
That's a really, uh, great establishing overhead, but it's, it's, it's very cinema ING know
able to, and, uh, you know, they're able to see it from the character's point of view. So it fits the scene, I guess it shows the geography of tombstone and the rest of the town. And that just elevates what would be a pretty Crapp scene, powering and shooting at the moon and shooting, and then light exploding about three.
Yeah, that's a crane shots too. So you can riff on that next time. You
Whitey: wanna? Absolutely. Well, we'd love to hear from many of our fans out there, if they've got any other famous crane shots that they would like to talk to us about, just, uh, send us a message born to watch podcast on Instagram and on Facebook and born to watch [00:55:00] podcast@gmail.com.
And you can, uh, either agree with morgues or call him a Dick. Anyway, it's up to you. So after this, we're gonna go into needle drop and look, needle drop. There's nothing. Cause there's, there's just score and it's a good score. There's some good music in the, in this movie. There's no doubt, but I don't think we need to talk about the music in this film and this is gonna lead us to a new segment.
And again, morgues has come with the fire and this one's called Stan Bush's kick ass credits. Do you wanna explain this one morgues for the viewers and listeners? Yeah.
Morgz: I tried a bit harder this week. Cause I did get too last week and two bottles of wine. So I thought I better, better try, try a bit harder this.
So yeah, up segment do every week and I'll do this.
You have to write, uh, a quick song with one verse and a chorus [00:56:00] in the theme of Stan Bush for the movie that we, we watched this. So basically you write the lyrics that Bush would hope would come up with. If he was, he was board to do it and you have the, so it's one verse, one core it's kick ass credit
Whitey: away does hang on a second.
Hang on a second. Dan, does it have to be an original piece of music or can it be to the theme
Morgz: or it melody
Whitey: is yours original.
Morgz: Mine's original. Of course. It's I can, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, gotta you gotta flex the creative muscle somehow, but anyway, this is, uh, this is don't wanna, is song is called don't wanna read the.
It was a lonely knock out here on the land. I was a law man. [00:57:00] Now I deal the fer hand. Both my brothers got shot. Paxton. He died shooting while all the Cowboys ring on too. Dr. Popped on the. But now also did, when will it be my time stole my house on the hill, got my mortgage
rich as gonna eat a club wed like a, in the nude we'll be having adventures and my horse. So I gotta God. Oh
Whitey: my God. That's a high fucking bar. That is a super high, well done fucking [00:58:00] bar.
Gow: I thought it was like the first version, the chorus
Whitey: mate, mate, I and the chorus. And I think we've just found our cold open anyway. Well done, mate. That was very, very good. And, and next week's movie is gonna be very D. To find Astan Bush kick ass credit song for so you've probably got outta jail.
Oh no, no. You
Morgz: just remember it's in stand Bush. So it doesn't matter if the, if the, if the movie doesn't really align itself to kick ass, you just gotta remember what would, what would stand Bush
Whitey: here? Yeah, for sure. Righto. Well, well done, Dan. That was excellent. Well done. Let's move on to star of the show.
I don't think we need to talk too much about this. I think we're all gonna say the same person go.
Gow: Yeah, it's gotta be Val Kilmer for me closely followed by Michael. I mean, Kurt, Russell's an obvious pick, but Michael Bean. Yeah. Yep. But Val Kilmer,
Whitey: Mors,
Morgz: Val kil. Absolutely outstanding. Luke Nixon called it.
Yeah. Probably his best performance for me.
Whitey: Loved it. Yeah. It's Val Kilmer for [00:59:00] me. So that's three from three. It's quite obvious. He's the absolute superstar turn in this movie. It's amazing. Final thoughts. Tombstones is amazing. Piece of cinema. It still holds up today. It is a great Western, if you don't like westerns, it's probably a good one to cut your teeth on.
There is so much action happening there is even though it goes for over two hours, we've spoken it. Doesn't drag. It's, it's a great story based somewhat in truth, somewhat how much it's probably not quite blood sport. Loosely, loosely based. Yeah. It's loosely based, but you know, white is a real life person.
He, the okay. Corral really happened. Dock holiday was real. All these people were real. How, how much of truth there is in this movie? You know? And, and I must say that if you do watch wide IP, which is the movie, which stars, Kevin Costner, that's a good movie, too. It just extends. If you think that this is.
That's over three hours. Yeah. He's cost he's, cotified it. [01:00:00] And it's it's three and a half hours, but it's a good movie. It is a good
Gow: movie, but they do, they do go into much more of a story on that. Don't they, in, in that movie from memory, it's,
Whitey: there's a lot more in depth. There's a lot more pre tombstone about it, but it's great.
So why IPA's really worth watching? Well, it didn't, it didn't
Gow: go as well at the box office either. I mean, it was released the year after it didn't go as well as tombstone.
Whitey: Well, and it shouldn't have, it was, it's just too long, but I love it. I would definitely recommend this to anyone to watch, even if you don't like, even if you don't like Western, so get into tombstone.
I would say the
Gow: same. I it's really easy rewatch this, you know? I mean, I haven't watched for a while, but it's it's, you know, you know what, uh,
Whitey: it's just a great movie. No, it's it's it's good. Fun. Mors. What do you reckon?
Morgz: Loved it. Three and a half huckleberries for me.
Whitey: Oh, we're rolling. Straight into the rating.
So morgues has given it three and a half. And what about you go, I'm backing him up on that. I'm going three and a half, three and a half. Well, oh dear dear. Here we go.
Gow: Oh, dear. I'm he hasn't got his phone in front of him either.
Whitey: He's struggling. I'm gonna give this three and a half Huckle bees. Ah, and do you know why I'm giving [01:01:00] you three and a half Huckle bees?
Do you know why I'm giving a, so you can work out the average, what is the average? So it's three and a half Huckle bees fuckers. And, uh, so where's that gonna put tombstone, but yeah, well, that's
Gow: gonna put three and a half is gonna put it right below commando, which came in at 3.9, four, elaborate European flat tops, but above back draft at 3.3, three trick to chloride cans.
Yeah. So this is, yeah, Kurt's gone one better here.
Whitey: So it's fifth, it's fifth on the fifth out of eight fifth on the all time list. Fifth out of eight, I think that's right. I think that I enjoyed commando more. Definitely enjoy stepbrothers more. The thing is a masterpiece and top gun Maverick. Well, that may be rerated once we watch it again and do the B born to watch on it.
But yeah, I, I think that's about right. Yeah. Well done. Well done boys. We're crushing it every week with. What, what are we watching more? Should we been watching the Nick this week?
Morgz: Better call all again. It's being very exciting. If you aren't watching it, [01:02:00] I can watch it.
Whitey: Yep. Gal
Gow: nothing this week. Nothing this week.
No,
Whitey: nothing. You've been busy. Have you been super busy?
Gow: Yeah, that happens. Doesn't it? Yeah. So hopefully next week, Josh, watch anything. Is he watching anything, mate? They've all been watching Harry Potter at home. Been right back into rewatching. The Harry Potter movies.
Whitey: Good movies. Yeah. I hated Harry Potter when I had the video shop and it wasn't until I started watching them with Isabelle that I actually really enjoy the Harry potters.
They're great films. Really good. Really well made good film. Yeah. I've heard that. Yeah. You've not watched any, I've watched parts of parts of them. Yeah. I think you need to commit it's one of those times where you can't sort of walk in and out, you gotta commit to it. Uh, I'm a bit like I'm a bit like, yeah, I haven't watched a lot this week.
I've been quite busy and cause this we've, we're recording this one a bit earlier, but I just wanna go back and say that you gotta revisit stranger things. The more, I think about season four stranger things, it was great. There's a really good needle drop in the last episode of stranger things, which is.
Could be the greatest needle drop of all time. And it's great. It's one of my favorite songs and it's well worth watching just for that. Well, that's it for [01:03:00] this week, unborn to watch another episode down, we had a lot of fun with this one. It's obviously a movie that's very dear to all of us and we'll be watched again by all of us, which is rare.
Normally morgues opts out. But I think he'll watch this one again. I've got no doubt with that. Now next week, we're gonna do something a little different. We're gonna bring it forward. We're gonna bring into the 2010s and we're gonna do the guard, English film, stirring, Brendan Gleason and Don CHLE. And this is a great movie.
How many times have you seen the guard guy?
Gow: I'm gonna take your word for it on that. I'm gonna have to do a bit of prep this week.
Whitey: GA's gonna be busy. So when we ask him next week, what he's been streaming or watching? Yeah, it's gonna be you'll know the guard Mor. Cause what are your thoughts on the guard?
Morgz: Yeah, I, this is a great place. Look to this one.
Whitey: Yeah. This is one of Brendan Gleason's best work. He's this is a great movie and your girls are gonna, uh, enjoy the episode cause [01:04:00] we are gonna really enjoy watching it and, and dissecting it for me, Whitey from the panic room. It's been a pleasure yet again.
Thank you very much. Thanks
Gow: everyone really enjoyed that tonight.
Morgz: I wanna read my Turnstone
Whitey: and that's by from morgues.
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